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We're around from midnight to 5.30, six mornings during the week.

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Monday mornings we get started about one, continue through to 5.30 and that means we're

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around for about thirty-seven and a half hours each and every week.

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During that time we have the pleasure of talking with many interesting people and this morning

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we're going to be talking with Douglas.

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I think it was about four or thirty or five o'clock in the morning.

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Thank you, Douglas, the well-known news commentator.

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I told us about an incident that happened on Friday morning October 3rd, 1958.

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It was about 3 a.m. in the morning when a freight train number 91 on the modern railroad

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was southbound through the little town of Rothfield and he went on to describe to us what occurred.

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There was a sighting of about four unusual objects.

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Well, we talked with Frank yesterday morning about this and I've been in touch with Frank

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just a couple of minutes before we went on the air again and I understand that something

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rather exciting happened evidently this afternoon at Alamogordo and of course you know that

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the lens on Alamogordo and there are also the people that had APRO and APRO was mentioned

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in many of the newspapers recently in reference to Carl Jung and we'll find out more.

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Now we're going to try to get a call through with Frank Edwards.

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He's now news director of WPTV in Indianapolis and as soon as we get that call through we'll

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find out what all this excitement is about and certainly must be a rather exciting day

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at least they had one in Alamogordo, New Mexico.

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We'll find out all about that in a moment.

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Let's find out what's happening out there.

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Hello, Frank Edwards.

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Long John, how are you?

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John, how are you?

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Fine, thank you.

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What happened in Alamogordo?

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I got a call from Carl Lawrence a little after seven o'clock tonight.

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She's at eight o'clock, she says that at six o'clock, their time, that's Alamogordo time.

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That's six PM.

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Yeah.

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One of the children came in and told him that there was something strange in the sky.

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She and her husband went out and the family across the street, Mr. and Mrs. John Romero,

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if I understood it, were already out watching this thing and Mr. and Mrs. Lawrence had went out

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and watched it and they had a power of seven, had a pair of seven power binoculars yet.

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It was according to her a gigantic cigar shaped thing about nine miles west of where they were standing

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over the San Andreas Mountains, which you probably know are the mountains on the western edge of the Alamogordo

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or the Hall of an Air Force Base.

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She said the thing was not above ten, not more than ten degrees above the horizon.

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And they could see it clearly, particularly through the binoculars.

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She said that the south end of the thing was lined up north and south and the south end of it was slightly higher than the other end.

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And while they were watching it, an intensely brilliant yellow light showed up on the south end of the object several times.

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And it was very, very brilliant, she said.

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And then it appeared to be discharging some dark objects from the north or lower end of the object.

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And they couldn't tell what they were because they were too small and too interesting even than they seven power binoculars.

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But she indicated to me that she didn't think they were vapor or anything like that.

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Let me ask you this.

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Yes, sir.

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Do you think this has any connection with the sightings that you reported in the yesterday morning that occurred on Friday morning, October 3rd?

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Well, the sightings that I reported, that sightings that I reported to you, was a much smaller object, John, much smaller than the one that she saw today.

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Because at a distance of nine or ten miles, as they estimated this one, the object would be tremendous.

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And she said that if they were under the impression that it was about the same size as that object, which was photographed over Hanuman Air Force Base last November, the one that appeared on all the newspapers in the yet.

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Yeah, and they estimated that should be possibly four thousand feet in diameter.

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Four thousand feet, man.

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That was what the Associated Press copy said on it.

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I'm very frankly, I don't remember the caption, but that's such a good size.

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That's huge, but nine or ten miles away in Oswald, there is still wouldn't be very big.

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But really, I just think she's something huge.

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When they were looking at it, they noticed tiny little fish and eggs appear in a line along the lower edge of the object longitudinally.

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And then it began to move as though these little lights were perhaps a portal of flares or something.

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And it turned around and went westward.

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And all together they saw it about six minutes, Mrs. Varnson said.

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And then just as they wound up, one of them, remember the party, had been trying to call the control tower.

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And the control tower wouldn't answer its phone, which was very unusual.

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And then they noticed these jets taking off and going in the same direction this object went.

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Well, not when you say the control tower.

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That's a hollow and air force thing.

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Yeah, I understand that.

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But they wouldn't answer the phone.

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Are you saying that there's a possibility that there was some jamming on the part that's connected to the object?

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No, my guess is that they were already busy with it.

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You know, they were already busy dispatching these planes to chase it.

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They were probably watching the object themselves and they were not interested in any phone calls.

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That would be my interpretation of that angle of it.

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I'd like to go ahead and continue.

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Well, I was just going to say that all the four adults who were in this thing are all employees on their airport space.

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And they're all very competent and sound people.

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And they're not famous or anything like that.

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I wonder, Frank, if you can speculate, if you have any idea of why we've had so many sightings around Alamogordo from Mexico and not many around New York City.

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I have no idea, John.

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And I've never heard anyone speculate on that, although I've known a lot of people who have noticed that that is true, just as you pointed out.

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But I've never heard anyone speculate as to why it might be true.

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And, you know, there's an interesting angle in connection with this thing which possibly you've already thought about.

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You know, a couple of days ago, they sent up this lieutenant, Rick McCleary from the Harlem Airport Space in that big plastic balloon.

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And they sent him up to 100,000 feet, as you probably recall.

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And he was supposed to be out there to study cosmic rays or something.

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And what he was up there doing was trying to take some telephoto pictures of Mars, which is that extremely beautiful star you see in the eastern skies tonight.

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They were testing new films and new techniques from above the atmosphere in hopes of getting enough detail on the thing that would show more than they've ever shown before.

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You've never had that method of doing this before, you know.

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Now you remember that all of a sudden, the other night, when the temperature was 55 below zero up where he was,

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he suddenly cut off his transmitter and made a 80% and came down 12 hours early with no explanation.

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The only explanation it was given was that it was getting too hot for him.

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Now, a source of fire had asked the officials down there, if they meant too hot in terms of temperature.

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Now, they said it was a little amplified. We just said it's getting too hot. It's got too hot for him, I think.

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Okay, thank you. We get too hot for him. The outside temperature was 55 degrees below and he's been up there in that same temperature for many hours.

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Alright, getting back again to Alan Mcgardeau, Mexico, Frank.

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Isn't this the location that Dan tried and speaks of in his book, you know, Dan's...

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I think it's the White Sand.

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Oh, White Sand.

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Yeah, it's way down the other end.

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Yeah, I'm sorry. I was just...

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Yeah, that's a very gypsum boy up down there.

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Isn't it true that there's a possibility that these unusual crafts, the unusual crafts that have been set up from time to time with Alan Mcgardeau,

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that our government may be testing something that they recently developed?

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Well, yes, that's quite possible. However, these are so similar to objects which have been seen for the past 10 years, 11 years at least,

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that if they've been testing them that long, they're certainly making no progress.

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And as a matter of course, they'll go back to bicycles.

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Right?

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They're that kind of luck.

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I report that they'll be fixing bicycles.

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Thank you very much for giving me this information.

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Say, John, I've got a new series called Strangers in Science, in which a series based on my book, you know, Strangers...

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Yeah, he's the little...

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...bicycle about that.

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Yes, and what I wanted to say to you was, it's only been on the market 11 days, we've got 24 stations that will be signed up for it.

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Wonderful.

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So I'm real happy about that.

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Good, thanks.

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Wonderful.

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John, nice talking to you very much.

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Watch out for the little green man.

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Thanks very much.

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Oh, God, thank you.

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Bye-bye.

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So that was my book with...

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Well, no news commentator.

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The author of the book entitled, Sun Billions Sons, published by Valentine.

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And the science is in Indianapolis right now.

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We spoke to him on our pizza phone and he told us the information about what's happening at Alamogordo.

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I just went out a moment to see if we could make arrangements to talk with Greg Barker.

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I want to find out what happened on this trip that they were planning to go to the top of that...

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Well, this trip, pardon me, where they told me they were mild.

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I don't see all the greeks in the...

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Pardon me.

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I never understood them.

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They said they were mild.

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And I can't really understand, too.

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That's what they told him.

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Greeks should pay attention to these things.

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This... I got a letter not long ago inviting me to go on a trip on a flying saucer which would stop by my house and pick me up on January 29th.

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And if you take a good look at me, you'll see that anything that could pick me up on January 29th or any other day would be quite an object.

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And this was going to whisk me down to an island off the coast of Brazil for some sort of a little meeting with the saucer people and back the same day.

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I couldn't go because on that day it still happened.

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I was going to Venus for lunch and I had to stop by Mars on the way home and I just get to go.

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Do you know anyone who did go, John?

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Well, I'm going to check with Greg Barker, but...

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So, what we're going to try to do...

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A couple of months ago, you were with us, Frank, and you mentioned something about a letter that you had received.

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This is something about what you don't talk about. I was just trying to refresh your memory.

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Well, I've received quite a few letters.

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Well, I realize that.

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Well, it's from some scientist.

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And you couldn't name names and this led you to believe that there's a possibility that there's line-soccer...

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Yeah, I know what you're talking about.

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I know where it is.

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Now, Jackie Gleason was evidently listening for a couple of minutes and he heard that he was going to be on and there.

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I know that he had some business to attend to the night and David Field contacted him.

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And he started to talk for a couple of minutes on our beeper phone setup.

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And rather than talk to me because this is not going to be of any great interest to Jackie Gleason,

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I think it would be better if he talked to you for a couple of minutes on the phone.

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Was he a quick coffee?

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I don't know. I can only hope so.

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This is the funniest thing that ever happened that I can assure you.

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I'm sure that the people... and that should be a part of the story.

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Why how?

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I can't believe it.

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So, uh, are you going to make the call?

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You got a small phone there?

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All right. Come in, Jackie Gleason.

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Uh, if you want to work with this, you're going to work with a phone.

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I'll put you on the phone instead.

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That's a nice little difference.

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You want to give a phone up, please?

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You want a phone there?

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Uh, if you will.

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Might be better if I work with that.

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A little bit?

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All right then.

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Can you do it?

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Move the church?

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Yup. Just out of the water.

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You're getting it straight enough now.

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Wait a moment.

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Now, you tell me if you're in business.

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Uh, we're trying to get...

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I'll find it.

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Have you got a mom?

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Now, push that switch up behind you there.

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Push that switch up.

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We're down one of them in the other position.

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All right.

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I'm not working in business.

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All right.

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Now, we on the air?

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Everything going?

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Oh, no. I got it.

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Hello, Jack.

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All right.

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I'm working just yet.

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We're shaping an hour.

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Hello, Jack.

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Hi, pal.

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How are you?

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All right.

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Where do I turn my radio down because I'm getting a feedback?

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All right.

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Uh...

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Did you hear the program John had with Graebacher?

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He rolled up and said him a big, long letter.

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Graebacher is, as you know, a man who wrote a book,

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and he's the editor of some kind of a paper.

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Yeah, he put some little...

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Well-educated.

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Yes, that's right.

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He is now applying for the pick.

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I went to an island that's being publicized by a friend of his,

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and then it's gonna bring him back.

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You were supposed to go on this, but...

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Well, I haven't...

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I have a letter inviting me to go, Jack,

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but I couldn't go because, hey, I had to go to Venus and appointment there.

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Well, I was at Mars myself, or I would have known...

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I must have just missed you because I stopped by,

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I'm talking about Mars Bar.

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I don't know where I was at the moment.

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Oh, I see.

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I know what I missed you.

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No, but this guy, uh...

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It's remarkable how an intelligent or, uh...

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supposedly intelligent man who has such various activities

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as a publisher and a writer

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who can send a long letter to someone like Long John

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saying that he's expecting to be picked up by a planned source.

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And then this source is gonna stop off at a few times, like a school bus,

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take everybody downtown to some island in the lake.

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You can see where they were going to be awfully busy,

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just picking up...

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Just picking up.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, uh, there's a lot of people on the South Coast

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who don't want to be late.

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They don't want to be late.

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But the flight software comes by, you've got to be there.

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Oh, absolutely.

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Well, I couldn't go with them because of my religion.

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Uh, yes, you won't go up.

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No, I'm a South coward.

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That's right.

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But, uh, Mike, you know, you did say something that, uh...

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I had a tinge of, uh, that type of talent.

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Yeah.

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Uh, you said that you had seen or you had no possession

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or you, uh, had access to a weapon,

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which made you absolutely believe that there were such things flying south.

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Do you?

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I really believe there are, but, uh...

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Have you ever seen one?

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I thought I saw one.

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Well, I never did see one, but I'm sure you look,

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but I have a lot of friends, you know, who are airline pilots,

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the radar control men and so forth,

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and they've all seen these things,

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and I'm sure they have seen what they say they've seen.

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Now, this letter you're talking about...

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That's what I want to hear.

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I got this letter unsolicited

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and it came from a group of atomic scientists and physicists.

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What? Would you name the atomic scientists?

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No, I can't, because I don't have any.

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Let me tell you why I can't.

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They are still in government employ.

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Well, what is that?

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Well, this means they're under security probation.

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So what security?

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If they're applying for it, it's, uh...

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Oh, well, nothing really dealing with that.

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Oh, well, we're supposed to believe,

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according to the official dispensation from the airport,

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we're supposed to believe that these flying saucers

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are a matter of great manhood concern,

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although they seem out to tell us that they don't exist.

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At the same time, they tell us that they do come out

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of the security probation, and, you know,

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they have several regulations which forbid

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military and government personnel from even talking about them.

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And this letter that I just...

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You're not a military government official.

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No, no.

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So you can talk about them.

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Well, I can talk about them, yes, but they...

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I can't reveal the identity of these fellows,

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but I don't have no cure to doing the deal.

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What I did was Willie Lay one night on a show

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called The Other Beats the Critics.

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This was several years ago, and we were on there.

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I think I heard that show.

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And Willie was giving Donald Major Kehoe and myself a hard time,

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and I asked him if I would show him a letter,

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and if he was showing who signed it and where it came from,

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if he would let me read one sentence,

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which was all I was permitted to read publicly.

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And I showed him the letter yet, and he jaw dropped open,

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and I showed him the signatures, and it opened a little more.

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And while it was settled, the sentence said,

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after six years of studying the material briefs to us

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in connection with the so-called flying soldiers,

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we are of the unanimous opinion that these are interplanetary devices

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that were conceived and operated by intelligent beasts of a very high order.

314
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Now, was that letter signed by very important men in the government?

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Yes, yes, it was signed by...

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Are they people that you would say...

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It was signed by an important physicist.

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Well, would you say they're people that were getting in touch with the president?

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No, no, I wouldn't think so.

320
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You mean that they...

321
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Oh, then they weren't fake, isn't it?

322
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No, they weren't, you know, top-flight men, but they were men

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who evidently had a lot of ability and...

324
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Where were they connected? With the cops?

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They were connected, let's say, with an atomic enterprise.

326
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But not with the cops?

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I don't know, I don't know exactly what they were doing.

328
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They were about to the probation for verdict.

329
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Yeah.

330
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I don't...

331
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They had been analyzing stuff for the government.

332
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But they were a part of the cops.

333
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I wouldn't say that they were actually career-making or anything like that, no.

334
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Well, I think they had the right to do it, though.

335
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Well, I really laced your with open...

336
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The revelation that people made weren't connected with the government or...

337
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Yeah.

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...weren't in any way connected with the governmental research.

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Is it amazing to me?

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Why should he be surprised?

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Because some scientists or some gentlemen who are connected with the atomic research...

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...program had not with the government, but a private atomic research program.

343
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Why should his jaw drop open when they say that they're a blindsore?

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I think he was surprised, the first place, because he recognized this scientist's name and he's standing...

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Well, if it was a good scientist, he'd be with the government team, I imagine.

346
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Well, this fellow made me.

347
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I don't know exactly what his relationship was, except that I would be glad to show you the letters sometime,

348
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and then that will give you an offer.

349
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The thing that bugs me is how it's manager or whatever his name is...

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He can't reveal anything that people from Mars tell him, except that one cell for 395.

351
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And they've never given anything like a spoon with three cups to any unusual instrument that might be an advance on anything we have.

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Nobody comes up with any evidence.

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They all have been there, they all have seen things, they've talked to with the three men.

354
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Incidentally, can anyone ever see that?

355
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Bender.

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I've only met him.

357
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You've met me before, after the three people we've seen.

358
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Have you met him?

359
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No, I never did.

360
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Just a long time ago.

361
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All right, a long time ago. Have you met Bender?

362
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He's the bonus, say it's not.

363
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I don't think anyone has met him.

364
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So we have three men meeting someone who might not even exist.

365
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No, I've never met Bender.

366
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So we have three guys from Black Suits meeting a guy that might never even exist.

367
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Well, everybody's saying that...

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He put out some kind of a little flying saucer paper, Jack, for a while, and he worked for some relatives.

369
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Yes, I understand.

370
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I understand he had to get in one business or the other.

371
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Oh, well they might have been the three guys from Black Suits.

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Three guys from Black Suits, I think, to straighten him out.

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I told Lawrence John to offer great profit, $10,000 to his five hundred.

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All he has to do though is put the five hundred the day before the thing is going to pick him up.

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So, you know, I have at least an even break.

376
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Oh, yeah.

377
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And I will get him $10,000 if the thing picks him up and gives me a reputable proof that it's going to pick him up.

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I was looking through my files today, Jack, looking for some cases where there is intangible evidence of the existence of these things.

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I came across a case there at Campinot, Brazil in September of 1953 where about eight or nine ounces of pure tin fell out of one of these things,

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which was evidently in difficulty, a very low outlet, and over the residential section of Campinot,

381
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which is about 250 miles in length from São Paulo, I believe.

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And the government collected this tin and closed off the neighbors until he got it,

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and got over rooftops, burglars, and clothing, and everything else.

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It was dribbling out of the edge of one of these so-called saucers.

385
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Well, I had, they publicly stated that this was tin, plamas-like saucer.

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They can't part of it over to our Air Force, and I know that a doctor meaning out in Ohio,

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Ohio College, Northern College, was one of those who analyzed the stuff.

388
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Well, I understand that the Brazilian government doesn't admit they are flying saucers,

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which is probably the only government that does admit it.

390
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I think you're right about that.

391
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I spoke to them, they released pictures with their photographers.

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I was just about to say, I spoke to one of the blinds, I think, like, you know, and he's been on a junket or a trip down to Brazil.

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He was in the presence of the guy that runs Brazil, and he had seen pictures of flying saucers.

394
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I mean, I believe motion pictures.

395
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Well, I'm sure they have motion pictures, and they search what I know they do,

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and because they were taken by an official photographer for the Brazilian fleet about two years ago,

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they got, uh, they got 35 millimeters of motion pictures, and they got a lot of color pictures.

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Are we calling?

399
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Yeah, we're still calling.

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Very good thing, moving along over the mountains along the coast.

401
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And the Brazilian government was quite frank and safe that this is an unidentified flying object, and of course it's only one of several.

402
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Now, did you read the report in state magazine of the New Guinea sightings?

403
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Yes.

404
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The press to obtain them and...

405
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It reported that four or five seemingly human beings got up on top of the plane,

406
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so it's been weighed down to a unit of spot.

407
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,000
It seemed to be responding to their jet, according to...

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He came in three or four days, and there were several of them.

409
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Yes, I saw that.

410
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And he did a great deal of soul searching to find out that it tried to figure out if this was a hallucination or a...

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It went to the final decision where it was, and it was absolutely what he'd say, because not only could he see it,

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but 30 or 40 of this plot were with it.

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I have a copy of that original report.

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We run several six-space-type written tapes, and it was considerably more in detail than what they brisk in the magazine.

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This is the other story of the press to further flying, such as the post-Soviet Vatican report on it.

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I think it was in Italy.

417
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It might be mistaken about...

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There's quite a few sightings over in Italy, and some very good ones.

419
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First, there's been some phony. Those guys leaning on the railing, for instance,

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selecting it up.

421
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There's sightings, and it's absolutely out of sync with the object they have.

422
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That's it.

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Of course, you've seen the phony picture, I'm sure, of the spacecraft over the steel mill in Ohio.

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Oh, yes.

425
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And every one of those things is nothing but a...

426
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And also the one over Atlantic City.

427
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Yeah.

428
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Somebody played out the window.

429
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Well, the ones over Ohio over the steel mill are reflections between the elements of the land,

430
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and each bright light has a little spacecraft on the opposite side of the negative pointing directly at it.

431
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They seem to have an affinity for bright lights.

432
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I think probably the most believable manifestation of sources was the motion picture in the picture.

433
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I think it was called Blyat's Artists or Europo.

434
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You're talking about the...

435
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All of the more taken by this stuff.

436
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The Great Falls, Montana.

437
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Yes.

438
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And then the movie's taken over the desert by Delbert Mughals, this Navy Warro.

439
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Well, they only had one...

440
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I think it was the motion picture of the white person flying over the battlefield.

441
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Uh-huh.

442
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:09,000
And if I remember correctly, it went behind the...

443
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Butter tower or something.

444
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Butter tower or something like that.

445
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Now it's the end of the picture.

446
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I don't think they showed the other ones that you speak of.

447
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Well, they were very good.

448
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They were taken in 16-millimeter color by Delbert 2000, named the Warro after their dream on Utah.

449
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Well, well, that's pictures now.

450
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They've been released in some movie and...

451
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Well, I don't see them.

452
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I saw them in the original 16-millimeter form, but I never saw them on the screen.

453
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I know they were in some movie.

454
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Well, now I'll tell you, the strange thing that happened one time.

455
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And as much as I hate to do this, I can't mention the guy that we called up.

456
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But that has nothing to do with the story as you'll hear.

457
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Ed Moro and I.

458
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I went to Ed Moro and I said,

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I think the biggest story in the world is blind sauce, if there are raving sense things.

460
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I said, now let's you and I do a documentary on blind sauce.

461
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I said, now who do you know in Washington that would know if there are blind sauces

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or who would tell us that it's just a fool's goal that we should forget about it.

463
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And he says, I got the guy, General So-and-so.

464
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And we called the guy up and the guy said to Ed,

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now look, don't get me in this thing.

466
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I don't want to get near it.

467
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It's too hot down here.

468
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I don't want to handle it.

469
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And you might as well forget about the project.

470
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You'll get no cooperation.

471
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:36,000
And Moro hung up the phone and he looked at me and he repeated what the guy said to him on the phone

472
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,000
because I could hear him now.

473
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,000
And he looked at me and he said, how about that?

474
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,000
They're offline.

475
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:48,000
I can't click this after 1972.

476
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:55,000
This was back in, I guess, 1956.

477
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,000
I imagine.

478
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:03,000
When I say in 1952, on two nights in July, the so-called blind sauces were overwashed.

479
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,000
They were all in the blind flat.

480
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:11,000
What most people don't know is that on August the 13th, just three weeks later,

481
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,000
there were 68 of them over Washington at one time on that night.

482
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,000
I was right there in Washington at the time.

483
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,000
I was on the network.

484
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:20,000
I had excellent contacts.

485
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,000
But the lead of censorship was so tight that I knew nothing about it.

486
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,000
I'm sure that no other newsmen knew it either.

487
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,000
I knew nothing about it until two years later.

488
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:36,000
What happened through a friendly official of the CAA, I got a copy of a document which they printed.

489
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:41,000
How to identify and track unidentified flying objects.

490
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,000
This was put out to radar control men and pilots of others.

491
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,000
And in there, they list all these 68 objects that were over Washington on that one night,

492
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,000
August 13th, 1952.

493
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,000
Are we on?

494
00:28:55,000 --> 00:29:04,000
To those that may be listening to us, a couple of minutes ago, Jackie Gleeson was talking on our beat their phones setup with Frank Edwards.

495
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,000
Is Frank still there by the way?

496
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,000
Yes, he's still here, but he will be listening on the can.

497
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,000
He can't enter into the conversation for a moment.

498
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,000
Now we had Gray Barker in Clarksburg, West Virginia.

499
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,000
Gray Barker is the man that wrote the book.

500
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,000
They knew too much about flying saucers.

501
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:26,000
And Jackie Gleeson, I don't know whether he read the book at least yesterday.

502
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,000
He's an acquaintance.

503
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,000
Well, Jackie, supposing that you talk now.

504
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,000
Jackie Gleeson is not in the studio.

505
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,000
He's at his home.

506
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:40,000
And supposing that you talk with Gray Barker for a few minutes about that trip that they were supposed to make last week.

507
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,000
Jackie, it's yours with Gray Barker.

508
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,000
Well, first of all, I'd like to say that I read the book.

509
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,000
They knew too much about flying saucers.

510
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,000
Well, thanks.

511
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:55,000
I was intrigued by the three men in black who called on Mr. Bender.

512
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,000
And how'd I got to talk to you?

513
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:01,000
I just love to say, but I saw a great television show last Sunday.

514
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:07,000
And I saw a little segment of it in which there's great electricity put up the air.

515
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:12,000
And they made me want to see very much a show called Take Me Along.

516
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:17,000
And if we make this show through Chepersburg, Gleeson, I do hope that you're alive.

517
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,000
Well, you've been coming, Jackie.

518
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,000
No.

519
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,000
I'm not crying.

520
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,000
I didn't mean to get into that.

521
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,000
I certainly appreciate your compliment.

522
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,000
I hope it's sincere.

523
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,000
I'm pretty sure it is.

524
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:35,000
Now, I'd like to give you a question if you don't mind.

525
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,000
And I've got to get into it just one point.

526
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:42,000
Gray Barker, you will have to get a little closer to your phone or raise your voice.

527
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,000
Gleeson is coming in very clear and strong.

528
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,000
But your voice is a little weak.

529
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,000
Please do that and then go ahead.

530
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,000
Jackie, ask your question.

531
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:55,000
Gray, what kind of education have you had?

532
00:30:55,000 --> 00:31:09,000
Well, Ms. Gray and I was educated in the one-room schoolhouse in the eighth grade, then high school, in Glenville State College, where I had a degree, a Bachelor of Arts degree, and a degree in education.

533
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,000
In fact, I taught school for a while.

534
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,000
You were a teacher?

535
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,000
Yes, sir.

536
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:21,000
Now, what has been your experience as far as journalism is concerned?

537
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:30,000
Well, not a great lack, besides the college paper and a bit of weekly newspapers in the country which came out once a week.

538
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:39,000
Then, of course, my own little more or less amateur publication, the Sarserian Golden, which I try to get out now, man.

539
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,000
How about the Worshiping?

540
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,000
Is your business booking motion pictures?

541
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,000
Yes, that is my business.

542
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:54,000
Although lately, I have been doing some publishing of flying saucer books and quitting hard ninjas.

543
00:31:54,000 --> 00:32:01,000
But, of course, I'm still more interested in theater booking because that's actually how I make the most of my living.

544
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:07,000
Well, Gray, obviously, what I'm trying to get at is a picture of your education.

545
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,000
You're a college graduate.

546
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:15,000
You make your living from a business, a show business, which is an astute business.

547
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,000
It sure is, man.

548
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,000
It's a good job.

549
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,000
Come in and you want to make money from it.

550
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:30,000
That isn't aware of the mores of society and everyday news and intelligence.

551
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:41,000
Also, you say you're a school teacher, which I know carries with the station of being a school teacher, dignity and honesty.

552
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,000
And you are a publisher of books.

553
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:57,000
Now, will you please tell me, Gray, how, man, with this background, this integrity and this honesty, can send your, along John, a letter sincerely

554
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:05,000
and really saying that you expect a flying saucer to pick you up.

555
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:13,000
Now, this information, this information that the saucer was going to pick you up was given to you by two people who you have never met.

556
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:26,000
One, a doctor who, from what I understand from your conversation, might not be a doctor at all, or if he is a doctor, a very misty one, because we don't know what his doctor is in.

557
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:31,000
I think John put it as a doctor of design, a child, a practice, something like that.

558
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,000
Well, did John know about it?

559
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,000
No, I think he was kidding.

560
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:43,000
Well, I'll answer that question, gentlemen, by saying I do not know what the gentleman's doctor is in.

561
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,000
Neither do I.

562
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,000
Well, you don't know that guy anyway, the doctor, right, Gray?

563
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,000
And only two correspondents.

564
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,000
How about Tom?

565
00:33:51,000 --> 00:34:08,000
Only two correspondents are told, but I believe that my letter to John, nearly outlined what these two gentlemen had told me, and I believe, I don't have a copy of it here, but in that letter, I expressed that I was skeptical about it.

566
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,000
No.

567
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,000
But we're having a lot of giving and a chance.

568
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:18,000
I was waiting here just in case, but they would stop, and I would be glad to go along, although I...

569
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:37,000
I think if John had that letter, we would find out that it wasn't skepticism, but you did have humorous, a few humorous remarks, intent in the letter, but not humorous enough to make anyone believe that you didn't believe in this thought that we know the peculiar.

570
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:43,000
Well, after all, I can't possibly sit there down in what town is that?

571
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,000
West Virginia.

572
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,000
Clarksburg, West Virginia.

573
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,000
Clarksburg, West Virginia.

574
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:54,000
I really believe that a man is going to come and pick you up in a flying saucer because two people who you don't know told you this with your education.

575
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,000
Well, now let me level with you, Mr. Grayson.

576
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:02,000
When I got the invitation, I was skeptical.

577
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:08,000
I thought, no, no, thought you were going to pick me up, but I accepted the invitation.

578
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,000
But still in the back of my mind was that idea.

579
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,000
What an idea.

580
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:22,000
And I thought they're hoping that this wouldn't happen, because, to slight honestly, I'm not sure that I would be scared if one could pick me up.

581
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:27,000
I'm not sure that I would be scared of a flying saucer, but you're not scared of how it mentored.

582
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,000
Well, I wouldn't be frightened of him.

583
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,000
Flying saucer, let's come right into my living room.

584
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,000
But how it mentored, I wouldn't let him into the lobby.

585
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:44,000
Well, I think that as far as the flying saucers go, as far as what we've heard on this concern, we don't actually know what they are.

586
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:50,000
I think that you would agree with me on one point that there are such things seen.

587
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:54,000
And you might just at first agree that we're not sure just what they are.

588
00:35:54,000 --> 00:36:05,000
Well, I think you'd agree with me, Gray, that the mysterious way they have of contacting us, why they would take Howard Mention, a sign painter in Jersey,

589
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:16,000
to impart their presence or knowledge or intelligence to, and ask him to keep it quiet, not to tell anyone.

590
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:23,000
And the great coincidence that he should marry a girl who had a Saturnian lover.

591
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:29,000
And don't all these things seem to you to be dripping with fraud?

592
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:39,000
Well, as far as Howard Mention is concerned, Prince of all and the Saturnian loverment will have to admit one thing, that it did make a very nice spot.

593
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:44,000
Prince Howard Mention fits into all of these contact-y stories.

594
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,000
Why?

595
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,000
Because he has met people as he's had the goal.

596
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:53,000
Because he has the goal to band-facially say that he is met with people.

597
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,000
That's the only reason.

598
00:36:55,000 --> 00:37:01,000
Right, many people are putting a dance in German about them that said they met people from outer space.

599
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:10,000
Now, I'm skeptical, even though I may publish their books, that I can't say for a second, like I can believe, like my mind, that they didn't.

600
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,000
But I can't be certain that they didn't.

601
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:25,000
But as a publisher, you present these books and you put a cover on them and you give wily information to the effect that you, as a publisher,

602
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,000
you'll give freedom to what these people are saying in the book.

603
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:33,000
I can't believe that I did, I mean, what you might say, I should have done the book if you didn't.

604
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:39,000
Of course, publishing a book maybe does give some...

605
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:48,000
I don't object to you publishing a book, but I do object to it, the publisher of a book, giving freedom to what is contained in the book.

606
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:52,000
So I can't believe, at least, that I have a good army jacket.

607
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,000
Well, if I may, I'd be very glad to.

608
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,000
Why not, if a source is going to pick you up and call me Jackie?

609
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:06,000
Very nice. We may be sitting in the same pair of seats on this giant mother ship that is going to take us to the island of Seia, Francisco and Brazil.

610
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:13,000
Did you explain to me that that island is owned by a couple of guys that have a great deal of money?

611
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:17,000
That has been said, although I don't think so.

612
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:21,000
Now, Dr. Bernard, you're supposed to own me a...

613
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,000
Who is that? What kind of a doctor is he?

614
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:28,000
Well, it's another doctor. I don't know exactly what a doctor is.

615
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:32,000
Maybe it's another kind of doctor that Long John suggested.

616
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:39,000
But I have done a little research, Jackie, since I spoke on the Long John show a few days ago.

617
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:47,000
I dug out the files on Dr. Bernard and I found out that previously, about a year ago, maybe two years ago,

618
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:53,000
he was operating under a different name, something like fake biker.

619
00:38:53,000 --> 00:39:02,000
I'm not sure that's the correct name, but at that time, he was encouraging settlers to come down there and to possibly purchase land.

620
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:09,000
And to start a settlement to similarly which would be safe from a comic bomb.

621
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:14,000
I had a couple of letters and that's all. And that's about all the background I have on Dr. Bernard.

622
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,000
Now, doesn't that sound wild to you?

623
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,000
It does.

624
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:23,000
A man who invites you to an island because it's safe from a comic warfare?

625
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,000
Well, no, it's very ridiculous.

626
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,000
If I were a scientist, maybe I could...

627
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:35,000
Even if a bulletines, if we know that there's no such a thing as an island that's immune to atomic warfare?

628
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,000
He didn't say that exactly.

629
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,000
Okay.

630
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:49,000
Well, that's because the wind that came up from the south pole, in case of fallout, perhaps the island would be safer.

631
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,000
Maybe it would be not in time.

632
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,000
Well, I think that island's going to be very safe as long as it's on it.

633
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:59,000
Because I don't think anyone would be killed on that island, because I don't think anybody would show up on this island.

634
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,000
Can I just interrupt him all of it?

635
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:07,000
Because I've got to identify the station that I would appreciate if you fellas would like to talk for a few more minutes.

636
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:15,000
This is W-O-R Radio, your station in New York, 7-10 on the dial.

637
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,000
Great.

638
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,000
Hold on a minute fellas, please.

639
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,000
One minute till I tell you.

640
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:36,000
All right, let me just remind our listeners again that Jackie Greason is talking from his home.

641
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:41,000
And gentlemen by the name of Ray Barks, the man that wrote the book, they knew too much about flying saucers.

642
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:45,000
He's talking from his home in Clarksburg, West Virginia.

643
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:52,000
My name is Long John, and I'm talking from the 24th floor of 1440 Broadway.

644
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,000
Gentlemen, continue your conversation please.

645
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,000
No, you are taking my car quite often enough.

646
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,000
I'm not taking any car.

647
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,000
Well, you take my car.

648
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,000
Would you talk a little louder please, Ray?

649
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,000
I'm just going to make up.

650
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,000
All right. What do you want me to do now, Ray?

651
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,000
If I get in trouble, just take my car.

652
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,000
In trouble?

653
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,000
Well, yeah, if I get too rough on me here.

654
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:25,000
No, I don't mean to be rough on you, Ray. I know that you're in the book publishing business, and I know that provocative books make money.

655
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:30,000
And I'm in a business too where my performance is provocative. I make money.

656
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:37,000
And I theatricalize several things that I do to make my performance enhanced.

657
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:41,000
And some of the things I do are theatrical.

658
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:48,000
So I can understand someone who publishes books making those things theatrical and the presentation of books theatrical.

659
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:53,000
But I often would love to talk to Howard Amanger and ask him,

660
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:59,000
doesn't he feel terrible married to a woman that went with another guy from Mars?

661
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,000
Hello, Ray.

662
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,000
Ray?

663
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,000
Oh, you're there.

664
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,000
Hey, I'm happy to have you. I'm sorry, but cut off.

665
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,000
Where is he?

666
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,000
Is it in March, February, West Virginia?

667
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,000
Not later.

668
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,000
Yeah, just a moment.

669
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,000
All right, why are you getting that back in mind?

670
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,000
John, see what they're doing?

671
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,000
That's right. Those are the missing moments.

672
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,000
Just a moment.

673
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,000
All right, we're waiting, Operator.

674
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,000
All right, what else are you waiting for?

675
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,000
Well, we want you to get back to the gentlemen that we're talking to.

676
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,000
Oh, I'm sorry. What's the opinion?

677
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,000
Yeah, didn't you say something else?

678
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,000
No, I'm just talking to Jackie, please. And I'm on the air right now, Operator.

679
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,000
All right, just a moment.

680
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,000
And I can't have that air.

681
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:41,000
Jackie, this is a great gimmick, isn't it?

682
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,000
Oh, beautiful.

683
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:46,000
But just the things that we can't ever have you join us, you see.

684
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:47,000
You'll do it this way.

685
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,000
Yeah, anyway.

686
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,000
Great. You know, you should do this conference with all of them.

687
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,000
I'm going to try to get them.

688
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,000
I think they've got to get all of these tea taller.

689
00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:00,000
And at that, see, that's an idea.

690
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,000
I wonder how many, I wonder if we can tie in some more.

691
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,000
I think I could get a conference call while I'm up there.

692
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:09,000
That would be nice.

693
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,000
That's a great guess.

694
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:16,000
Now, incidentally, on this new TV show that I'm going to do,

695
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:21,000
on that February 17th, which is the Wednesday night on Channel 9

696
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,000
at 10 o'clock, I'm doing a commercial to Jackie, you know.

697
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:28,000
I'm going to be interviewing Normany Colton, Sales and Junior Bros.

698
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,000
Oh, yeah. He's the one that handled the plunge.

699
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,000
That's right.

700
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,000
I don't know.

701
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:40,000
Hello? Hello? Hello there, John.

702
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,000
Yes, my mind is planet B.

703
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,000
Good.

704
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,000
And are we back on, John?

705
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:49,000
Yes, now, you'll have to talk a little louder, right?

706
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,000
All right, John.

707
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,000
All right. Now, what is your complaint?

708
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,000
You complain that I am not defending you?

709
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:59,000
Well, my complaint now is every time I get on your show,

710
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,000
basically every time I'm cut off,

711
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:06,000
and I'm beginning to believe in this silo group that Major T. Ho talks about,

712
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,000
when we get an interesting conversation,

713
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,000
somebody pulls the switch and we're off.

714
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,000
I try to explain to him, John, that it was the magic blood barber

715
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,000
and his prep is the subject.

716
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,000
He's running around, helping the phone wire.

717
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,000
He's the best he can, son, you're like...

718
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,000
He's on my side.

719
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,000
All right.

720
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:28,000
So tell us, look, I know that all of the questions I wanted to ask, John,

721
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,000
you go ahead, Jackie.

722
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:33,000
I wonder what it does to Howard Mendes' ego

723
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:37,000
to realize that he is married to a woman,

724
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:41,000
who is married to a superman before he married her.

725
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:46,000
Well, Marla Baxter, it's a pin name.

726
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:50,000
It's a pin name that doesn't claim to be a woman from another planet.

727
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:54,000
No, she was in love with a Saturnian man, so she said.

728
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:58,000
Well, that was Howard Mendes' idea in another incarnation.

729
00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:59,000
He tried.

730
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:00,000
He tried.

731
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,000
He said, Jackie, fight that.

732
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,000
We have to understand these things.

733
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,000
It's strange that a man with such a background

734
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:10,000
ends up on this earth-taining sun on oilcloth.

735
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,000
Well, apparently, as we can believe in that,

736
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:19,000
it is his job to tell us, you and I and everyone else,

737
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,000
the story of the space people,

738
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:25,000
and it just happened to be a common man that they picked.

739
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:29,000
After all, the story goes that the space people have contacted,

740
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,000
and I don't go along with this,

741
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,000
the story goes they have contacted many important people.

742
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,000
Well, how great.

743
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,000
Look at it this way.

744
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:41,000
Why would a space person contact anyone?

745
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,000
Well, let's not say Howard Mendes or a dad's dealer.

746
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:48,000
Why would a space person contact any human being on it?

747
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,000
What would you think would be their reason to do it?

748
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,000
According to the people who claim to be contactors,

749
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,000
the space people have a message for us.

750
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,000
Well, what is the message?

751
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,000
Basically, it's a pretty well-designed line.

752
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,000
Now, is this message important to us?

753
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,000
I don't know.

754
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:11,000
I mean, could these be the space people think that this message is important?

755
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,000
Evidently, they do.

756
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,000
They want us to believe it, don't they?

757
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,000
What?

758
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,000
They want us to believe it, don't they?

759
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:22,000
Why don't they leave a little evidence along with this message

760
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,000
so that we would believe it?

761
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,000
That's one of the things that has puzzled me.

762
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:31,000
Although some of these contactees say that they want this information

763
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,000
to come out slowly,

764
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,000
that if they told everybody and if everybody believed it,

765
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:40,000
immediately the people might get frightened about it.

766
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,000
Why? I thought it was a message of love.

767
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:46,000
Well, people just aren't ready for that.

768
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,000
The love-acting explanation is worth the wait.

769
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,000
They must be ready for love.

770
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,000
If men were married to a girl who was married to a attorney,

771
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,000
they must be ready for love.

772
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,000
Well, I'm sure that everybody is ready for love,

773
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,000
but the fact that there might be space people

774
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,000
is, to some people, a terrifying concept.

775
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,000
A lot of people would think that what he's terrifying

776
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:12,000
was just as terrifying as Christ was crucified.

777
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,000
But there were some reasons for him to do that,

778
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,000
and he told us what the message was,

779
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:22,000
and he gave a perfect demonstration of behavior

780
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,000
for people to follow.

781
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:28,000
Now, if these space people think that they have an important message

782
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,000
and they want to get it to the people,

783
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:34,000
I can't understand why they wouldn't provide some evidence

784
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,000
so that we would believe that the message was legitimate

785
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:42,000
instead of contacting a man who was a criminal

786
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,000
or who was arrested a few times,

787
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,000
whether wrongly or rightly, I don't know,

788
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:51,000
the fellow who was in the West

789
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,000
who saw the flying saucer on the desert

790
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,000
to walk in and they spoke to him in high German.

791
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,000
Reinhold's, yes.

792
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:00,000
Reinhold's, that is a man's name.

793
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,000
He was in the clink a couple of times.

794
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,000
Now, how it's going to do is, over there,

795
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:08,000
mixing some paint and painting a sign nice from the yard,

796
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,000
and they're sending down little colored discs

797
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,000
that carry messages to him.

798
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,000
Now, if they can contact these people

799
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,000
to get a message across,

800
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,000
they sure are picking some poor disciples.

801
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,000
Christ at least has the finest.

802
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:29,000
He has, you know, St. Peter and Thomas, St. Paul,

803
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,000
and the pretty intelligent man working for him.

804
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,000
Well, I'm not talking about religion.

805
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,000
I'm just talking about the prospect

806
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,000
of getting educated for it's the purest voltage.

807
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,000
Now, they wouldn't let you be a schoolteacher

808
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,000
if you didn't have some education,

809
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:48,000
you didn't have some authority to impart your instruction.

810
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,000
Now, why do you think they picked a sign painter

811
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,000
and a guy that's been in the clink a couple of times

812
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:58,000
to impart this very important information to the world?

813
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,000
Why don't they step down and pick up a guy like,

814
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,000
or Stevenson?

815
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,000
Governor Stevenson knows a nice fellow,

816
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,000
speaks nice English.

817
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,000
I have heard it said that the state people

818
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,000
have contacted very important people,

819
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,000
including leading politicians,

820
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,000
astronomers and so on,

821
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,000
that they haven't listened to them.

822
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:22,000
And I'd like to remind you that you'll be in the family play

823
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:26,000
that you really believe that Stevenson

824
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:30,000
was contacted by a flying saucer.

825
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,000
And he knew it was a flying saucer,

826
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,000
and he knew these legitimate people

827
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,000
that he wouldn't run out in the street

828
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,000
immediately and shout this information.

829
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,000
They just believed he would.

830
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,000
I think he would be afraid that first of all,

831
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,000
people wouldn't believe him.

832
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,000
Well, why wouldn't he believe him?

833
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,000
He hadn't seen what he thought he had heard.

834
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:51,000
Well, all of flying saucer,

835
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,000
don't you think they have this intelligence?

836
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,000
How do you think they're the darkening out the sky?

837
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,000
Don't you think that they know that people would be ridiculed

838
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:03,000
if they ran up describing the flying saucer doctrine?

839
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,000
Don't you think that they would be very careful to give

840
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,000
whoever they were imparting this information with

841
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,000
with some evidence that these people

842
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,000
did give this information to them

843
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,000
so that they wouldn't be ridiculed?

844
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,000
How it's mentioned, don't have some evidence

845
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,000
with any evidence of the person who's the hero

846
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,000
in the form of a picture.

847
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,000
Well, a picture is nothing.

848
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,000
Well, if it had been a picture,

849
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,000
they should be able to tell the people about it.

850
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:30,000
No, they can't.

851
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,000
That's what photography is today.

852
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,000
That's a fallacy.

853
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,000
Tell us, may I just get in here a moment?

854
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,000
This is a long time ago.

855
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,000
Now, we're going to try something more.

856
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:41,000
Actually,

857
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,000
Can I get an iPhone?

858
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,000
No, our friend, Mike Edward,

859
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,000
the new commentator, he's sitting here and he's dying.

860
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:50,000
You know?

861
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,000
Tell him to hop in here.

862
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,000
Now, tell us, do me a favor.

863
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,000
Jackie, you've been in this business.

864
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,000
I'm not picking up the chance for this, John.

865
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:58,000
I don't know what you're saying.

866
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,000
I'm not going to make time for this.

867
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,000
No, if you've been in this business,

868
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,000
you know how difficult it is if people overlap.

869
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:06,000
So what I'm going to do,

870
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,000
I'm going to rely on the previous to use Chuck

871
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,000
to try to make you a point to give the other

872
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:11,000
fellow the opportunity of talking.

873
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,000
All right, so I'll get off of this and listen.

874
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:14,000
All right?

875
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,000
Just evolve the jacket.

876
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,000
I'd like to ask...

877
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:24,000
Hello?

878
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:25,000
Hello?

879
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:26,000
I want to ask,

880
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,000
how do you get to the studio with your W. O. O. Longan?

881
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,000
I've listened to this conversation

882
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,000
and I'd like to ask Mr. Barker a question.

883
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,000
You said there a minute ago, Mr. Barker,

884
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:40,000
that if Steven was contacted by a blind stalker

885
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,000
and ran out and shot at the world,

886
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:47,000
he wouldn't do that because people might not believe him.

887
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:48,000
Is that right?

888
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,000
No, that's a good comment.

889
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:51,000
I believe I'd say...

890
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:52,000
Well, I'll ask you another question then.

891
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:53,000
Connection with that.

892
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,000
Why would they believe men here

893
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,000
if they wouldn't believe Steven?

894
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,000
Well, I think many people have unbelieved

895
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,000
that they're putting Jackie Gleason, I believe,

896
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:06,000
and it would get in the right ridicule

897
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,000
when you say anything about it.

898
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,000
Are we talking about Anthony Stevenson?

899
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:11,000
Yes.

900
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,000
That's a lot to say.

901
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,000
Well, I think that he's fully as credible

902
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,000
a witness as Howard Mink,

903
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,000
although there may be some malacomability

904
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,000
on his part to say signs.

905
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,000
I think he's even more credible.

906
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:24,000
That's possible.

907
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,000
His wife was never married to a superior.

908
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,000
Well, I've got another question.

909
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:33,000
We've been talking here about why the people

910
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,000
and the soldiers, if they are in there,

911
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:40,000
why they would contact such people as men here

912
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,000
and a damn sea of farmer hamburger cooks

913
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,000
and people like that.

914
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:49,000
Don't forget that the Air Force admits

915
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,000
in a letter to Nike

916
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,000
written by General Twiney,

917
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,000
the Air Force admits that they tried

918
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,000
and failed to contact the UFOs,

919
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,000
and they tried repeatedly.

920
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,000
And it simply baffles me to think

921
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,000
that the Air Force, that the soldier people,

922
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,000
if they're so smart, would pass up this top-level contact

923
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,000
and go pick on such people as men here

924
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:15,000
and a damn sea and a delusion of those birds.

925
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:19,000
I think the Air Force is trying to contact the softers,

926
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,000
mainly if I understand correctly,

927
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,000
with full of fake shot-outs.

928
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,000
No, no, I think you're part...

929
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,000
I think you're part...

930
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,000
They have tried with radio and radar and lights,

931
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,000
and on the few occasions,

932
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,000
they have issued them down order,

933
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,000
and they should know what they're doing

934
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,000
until I'm 19th and 20th of 52,

935
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,000
they rescinded the order shortly after they issued it.

936
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:47,000
They have made a long program of trying to contact them

937
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,000
by every conceivable peaceful means,

938
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,000
and they got no response.

939
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,000
Right? Yes, and great.

940
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:57,000
When either of you fellas want to sell an idea,

941
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,000
do you pick out a neighbor and send him

942
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,000
to the source that you want to impress?

943
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,000
No, no.

944
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,000
You go yourself, don't you?

945
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,000
What's wrong with a flying fossil landing

946
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,000
and a little guy hopping out and saying,

947
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,000
folks, here it is.

948
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,000
This is what we want you to know.

949
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:18,000
I think that would be the logical way for them to do it

950
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,000
if they really wanted to end it.

951
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,000
All you have to do is land on a baseball field in Central Park,

952
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,000
and there'll be plenty of people there.

953
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,000
It'll be three or five minutes.

954
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,000
Everybody will know whatever this important message is.

955
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:35,000
We will have to have mediums who fall into trances.

956
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,000
We won't have to have fine painters,

957
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,000
ex-guys that were in jail,

958
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,000
hamburgershaps, and all of those people

959
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,000
bringing up this important message.

960
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:49,000
Maybe the space people have a different psychological outlet.

961
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:53,000
They have a different way of looking at this thing.

962
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,000
Maybe they don't.

963
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,000
Are you going to tell me,

964
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:01,000
that a fine painter, a hamburgershap,

965
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:06,000
are going to get the attention of the world,

966
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,000
rather than an intelligent man?

967
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,000
Why don't they go to Winston Churchill?

968
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,000
I'm sure anyone...

969
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,000
If he ran off the street and said he saw a flying saucer,

970
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:19,000
I'm sure they wouldn't question him.

971
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,000
I think that if any leading speaker

972
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:25,000
was ran out on the street shouting flying saucers,

973
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:29,000
that that would certainly be the end of his political career.

974
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:33,000
And I think that's one reason why the conditional investigations

975
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,000
haven't been made.

976
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,000
Well, Ray, I have to agree with Mike.

977
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,000
I can't understand why you believe that...

978
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:45,000
men's most integrity is on West will be

979
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:49,000
not considered truthful about such a subject.

980
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,000
And I find that...

981
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,000
Go ahead, but we'll shut up.

982
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,000
Well, of course not everyone has believed

983
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,000
Howard Mentor or George Damsky, and we don't know...

984
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,000
I believe that's the understatement of the year.

985
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,000
Ray, let me ask you a question.

986
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,000
Do you believe Howard Mentor?

987
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,000
I believe that Howard Mentor has had some

988
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:11,000
unusual experiences, not necessarily all of his activities.

989
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,000
We've had unusual experiences.

990
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:16,000
There's no doubt about that, but I'm talking about...

991
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:19,000
do you believe that he's ever seen a flying saucer?

992
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,000
Actually, he's had some of these experiences.

993
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,000
I don't mean experiences.

994
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,000
I mean, I know he might have had hallucinatory experiences

995
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,000
or psychotic experiences,

996
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,000
but do you believe he actually saw a flying saucer

997
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:35,000
and that when he was nine or ten years old,

998
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:38,000
a beautiful blonde dame hopped out of one of those things

999
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,000
and said, oh, Charlie, don't...

1000
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,000
Do you really believe this?

1001
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,000
I haven't heard about all the contactings and living times.

1002
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,000
Just tell me about Howard Mentor.

1003
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,000
Do you really believe that Ray?

1004
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:52,000
Let's say that I believe that he has had some experience,

1005
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:56,000
either real or either psychic or...

1006
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,000
Oh, and what you're saying is you believe that he was out in the yard

1007
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,000
and that he has...

1008
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,000
If they were psychic, that he has...

1009
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,000
he has believed that it had been real.

1010
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,000
Well, anybody can have that, but...

1011
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,000
You mean to tell me, on that opinion of Howard Mentor,

1012
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,000
you published his book?

1013
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,000
Well, the book is...

1014
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,000
I don't know if you've read it, but I think it's very interesting.

1015
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,000
That question sounds fair, because...

1016
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,000
It's interesting.

1017
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,000
I got copies, Jackie, and that is why I published the book,

1018
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,000
because you can't publish a book unless

1019
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,000
people are interested in that sort of thing.

1020
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,000
That's right. That's an unfair question, what I ask.

1021
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,000
This is funny, Edwards, again.

1022
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,000
You sent me that letter inviting me to go with you

1023
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,000
on that trip, was on January 29th.

1024
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,000
Yes, that nearly forwarded that letter.

1025
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,000
That letter was from Osmar Toppe, not from me.

1026
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,000
It wasn't from you?

1027
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,000
No, it forwarded it, and it...

1028
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,000
Well, I was dumbfounded when I got it.

1029
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:58,000
Particularly in due of the thing.

1030
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,000
I think after hearing you describe those men tonight

1031
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:04,000
and where they live and so forth, I believe I know...

1032
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:08,000
I believe I can identify that doctor for you on the island down there.

1033
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:14,000
I think he's a veterinary who is taking care of a bunch of loons.

1034
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,000
Well, I know that...

1035
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:19,000
I mentioned a while ago that he had sent literature up here

1036
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:22,000
about a year ago inviting people to settle there

1037
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,000
and presumably purchase land.

1038
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:29,000
And I do know this too, that Dr. Marlowe...

1039
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,000
I don't believe I mentioned this before...

1040
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,000
Dr. Marlowe is not the real name.

1041
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:40,000
That's an assumed name, and he did use that while he was on the stage, friend.

1042
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:43,000
He was a magician, I understand that.

1043
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:47,000
And that might be one reason

1044
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:52,000
that might prejudice one's beliefs in this latest entertainment.

1045
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:57,000
Is there any money involved in this thing to your knowledge?

1046
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,000
Not that I know of, Frank.

1047
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:03,000
Now, I watch that very carefully because I'm always on the lookout

1048
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:06,000
to see why people do such things.

1049
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:12,000
One of my friends and correspondents did write me asking me to forward a letter

1050
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:17,000
to Dr. Marlowe, offering him a thousand dollars if he could draw a lot.

1051
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:22,000
I didn't refuse to forward that letter because I thought that was wrong to do.

1052
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:27,000
I've never brought you up to date on the outcome of that trip.

1053
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,000
You know it was canceled, don't you?

1054
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:32,000
No, I expected it to be, but I didn't know that it was.

1055
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:35,000
Now, when I was on Long John's show last,

1056
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,000
I think John asked me when the trip was,

1057
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,000
and I couldn't say because he had asked me to,

1058
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,000
and I wanted to go along with it.

1059
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:44,000
But that was the 29th of January.

1060
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:48,000
And on Wednesday, I believe, I called up Mark Hobb,

1061
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,000
who's the secretary of Dr. Marlowe,

1062
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,000
and I asked him about things were coming.

1063
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:56,000
He said, well, I better give you the bad news now.

1064
00:59:56,000 --> 01:00:00,000
The trip was called off, and it gave me a very fantastic story.

1065
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,000
I'll go on here very briefly as to what happened.

1066
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:09,000
A certain Mr. C, who later he said was a Mr. Zucco,

1067
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,000
had come to see Dr. Marlowe,

1068
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:16,000
had threatened him, apparently he was an agent of some sort,

1069
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:19,000
and he said, Dr. Marlowe, if you don't ask the space people

1070
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:22,000
to call out the trip, we're going to call you up

1071
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,000
before the secret saucer committee,

1072
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:27,000
and you know, things will be bad for you.

1073
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,000
Dr. Marlowe said, well, he's going to try to reveal Rodney

1074
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,000
with some sort of a mental health bank,

1075
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:37,000
and Mr. Z said, no, we've got other means.

1076
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,000
And the hint of dark information.

1077
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:42,000
The hint of dark information, or maybe the hint of the institution,

1078
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:45,000
wouldn't let the secret saucer committee beat that day.

1079
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:48,000
But anyhow, I think that the secret saucer committee

1080
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:51,000
prevented the pilot from operating at control,

1081
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,000
and that was one of the things that happened.

1082
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,000
Somebody had a monopoly on this.

1083
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,000
I'm not going to hang up in a minute.

1084
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,000
I just want to say this.

1085
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,000
You know, a fellow like you,

1086
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:05,000
a good look at it,

1087
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:07,000
you have a great deal of prominence

1088
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,000
from the books that you've published.

1089
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:13,000
You have quite a name in the literary world.

1090
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:16,000
A deeper place to great deal of faith

1091
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,000
in what you say.

1092
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:23,000
And I think you should inspect your...

1093
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:29,000
not in secrecy, but your choice of materiality

1094
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:33,000
because you have a great deal of influence in your writing.

1095
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:36,000
Well, you're going to be very, very careful about that.

1096
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:39,000
I don't think that you should send out circular letters

1097
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:44,000
out of a particular letter that you've got relating

1098
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:50,000
to such a weird and such a fantastic proposition

1099
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,000
as a sausage stopping at several places

1100
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,000
and taking up a lot of people

1101
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,000
and taking them down to an island

1102
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:59,000
where some poor souls that down there

1103
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:02,000
will say that this island will be immune

1104
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,000
to atomic warfare.

1105
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:08,000
Your intelligence must tell you that this is a fantastic

1106
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,000
and just a lot of junk.

1107
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:13,000
And if you repeat it and you propagate it,

1108
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:16,000
you're just being a confederate of these ids.

1109
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:19,000
And I'm sure that you're appreciating your integrity,

1110
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:24,000
your honesty, and your very niceness.

1111
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:28,000
You shouldn't have anything to do with such kind of literature

1112
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:32,000
or the publication of such force.

1113
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,000
It's just fantastic.

1114
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,000
And I think that if you continue to do it, right,

1115
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:39,000
you're going to destroy your eminence.

1116
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:41,000
Well, I would like to say this,

1117
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:45,000
as long as I put out a publication about software,

1118
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:46,000
I'm going to try to be...

1119
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:48,000
I can't be a really good one,

1120
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,000
but I'm going to try to at least be a fair one.

1121
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:55,000
I'm going to publish what comes in.

1122
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,000
I'm going to say that I don't necessarily believe it,

1123
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,000
but I'm not going to leave out anything

1124
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,000
because it may be fantastic

1125
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:03,000
or because I don't believe it

1126
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:06,000
or because one other person, a major key word...

1127
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:09,000
Well, I'm not sure if this is a publication.

1128
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,000
I don't know.

1129
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:14,000
I've never held it up

1130
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,000
performing any great service

1131
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:22,000
more than to pass on what information I've received here.

1132
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:26,000
And I'm going to continue to publish what comes in.

1133
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,000
No matter how fantastic it is,

1134
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,000
because what could be...

1135
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:32,000
Well, this is a publication.

1136
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,000
You sent these letters to people.

1137
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:36,000
This is a publication.

1138
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:40,000
The only thing you sent them is a copy from.

1139
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,000
You sent these letters to people.

1140
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,000
I sent these letters

1141
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:46,000
and invitation to people

1142
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,000
who just...

1143
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,000
Mr. Klopp didn't have an address.

1144
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:53,000
He originally said that people would think they would not.

1145
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:56,000
Well, a lot of people have thought that for a long time, Jackie,

1146
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:59,000
and I think that you may have thought maybe that I am,

1147
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:02,000
but I've been very harmless with you now.

1148
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:05,000
I like a very nice one, too, Bray.

1149
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:06,000
Well, thank you.

1150
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:11,000
And honestly, I think you should consider the...

1151
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,000
the integrity element

1152
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:19,000
of what propagation of information is about time.

1153
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:22,000
Well, now, but at least notice in the software publishing

1154
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:24,000
that no one knew about me.

1155
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:26,000
No one had ever heard my name.

1156
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:28,000
And now they have.

1157
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:30,000
Well, that's another thing.

1158
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:35,000
And yes, by doing it and publishing everything that comes in,

1159
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,000
people stopped reading.

1160
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:41,000
I certainly sent any whiz off when I was before.

1161
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:43,000
Well, I don't think you'll...

1162
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:46,000
I think you'll just explain your purpose.

1163
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:47,000
Please.

1164
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:48,000
To get a early jack for me.

1165
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:49,000
I have a purpose.

1166
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,000
And I appreciate it very much this day.

1167
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:53,000
I just like to say goodnight to Bray,

1168
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,000
and it's been a pleasure to talk to him,

1169
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:57,000
and I think he's a very nice guy,

1170
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,000
but I think he's quite gullible,

1171
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,000
or he's a very good person.

1172
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:02,000
One of the...

1173
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,000
Jackie, thank you very much.

1174
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:05,000
Good night.

1175
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:06,000
Good night, Bray.

1176
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:09,000
All right, goodnight, college.

1177
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:11,000
Good night, Bray, and thank you very much for talking with us.

1178
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,000
We'll be talking with you again.

1179
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,000
Good night, everybody.

1180
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:18,000
This is W-O-R Radio,

1181
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:21,000
the station in New York, 7-10 in the dial.

1182
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:22,000
Well, that was,

1183
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:24,000
from my way of thinking, anyway,

1184
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:28,000
the first three-way conference call set up on radio.

1185
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,000
Hopefully I'll be getting letters from people coming,

1186
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:33,000
being done for the past four years or something like that.